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Choosing the gag.

by Adrien-Luc Sanders

Hi. This may be disjointed, because I’m tired as hell and ready to crawl off somewhere, curl up, and pass out (and I can’t, too much work to do). But I want to post today anyway, partially because I said I would, and partially because there’s something on my mind that’s been bothering me.

photo courtesy of lusi on sxc.huI’m a member of several online writers’ groups, mostly geared towards fantasy and science fiction. The groups discuss techniques, favorite authors, genre standards, and all sorts of other things related to writing, trying to get published, trying to find an agent, the whole hoobalah. They also critique each others’ stories; I say “they” because I don’t really participate. I’m a little shy after a bad experience with a rather tyrannical mod in the first group I ever joined (no, I don’t know anything about being a tyrannical mod, do I, Indikaze and Sihaya?). Sometimes I join in the discussion if I have anything to contribute, but otherwise I stay quiet and just listen. Sometimes I learn things. Sometimes I wonder what the hell they’re smoking. It’s always an interesting experience, despite the occasional inevitable online wank.

Yesterday, though, I stayed quiet on something that I wish I hadn’t kept my mouth shut on, even though it’s a small thing and really wasn’t even related to the topic of the discussion. It was related to how commonly accepted it is to loudly express disgust at any display of homosexual contact, and it came innocently enough; it probably doesn’t help that I don’t like the guy who posted it, since he’s a self-important twit who joins every discussion with a long diatribe about how his way of doing things is better than the established industry standard. He’s unique, he’s a groundbreaker, no one understands his genius, he’s a special twatwaffle of a snowflake who needs to be smacked upside the head with a frozen mackerel. I think, though, that I would have been a little bothered no matter who said it, my dislike of him notwithstanding.

The discussion involved how various writers describe fight scenes in novels, and how some of them have obviously never swung a punch in their lives or even observed combat to try to capture some sense of realism without overdetailing. The discussion moved on to things like wrestling (actual wrestling competitions, not WWF-style sensationalism) and how referees will often break grapple holds that might otherwise go on for hours in a traditional competition while the two competitors struggle to gain even a micron’s advantage. Hour-long grapple holds are boring, apparently, and the audience might leave. The comment made was that he (the poster that I don’t like) probably wouldn’t mind watching two people locked in a pornographic position for an hour at a time, but (caps emphasis his)…TWO GUYS? Ugh.

It made me twitch. I would understand if he just expressed something along the lines of a simplified version of “I’m straight so I’m not interested in watching two guys dry hump each others’ faces”; I’m gay, so I’m not interested in watching two women dry hump each others’ faces and can understand. It was the tone of disgust and rejection that just made me pause and want to say, “Does the idea of two men being that close bother you somehow? Because you know, some of us might take issue with that sentiment.” It’s his right to feel that way. It’s just bothersome that it’s so common to casually express that as if it’s normal to say such things, and no one should mind that he’s publicly displaying disgust towards homosexual preferences.

Why didn’t I say anything? Because again, it’s his right to feel that way, and if it comes down to a matter of free speech and a matter of defending my demographic, I’m almost always going to choose free speech as long as the things said aren’t actively causing harm beyond a slightly worked nerve. That and I never want to be one of those obnoxiously oversensitive people who jumps on everyone for the slightest hint of anti-gay sentiment, no matter how loosely implied (or even inferred, because who knows what the person may have intended to imply). There has to be a line drawn between encouraging acceptance and being a complete and total twat.

At the same time, it stuck with me because it’s a symptom of a larger problem: that it is so common to casually revile all things gay, right down to the dreaded “that’s so gay” derision. It’s ingrained in people as part of normal social speech, and it eats at me until I wish I had said something, anything, just to politely point out that while he may not have intended to be hateful, he could be a little bit more tactful and it would be greatly appreciated. Just one little thing to calmly make one person aware that no, even casual unconscious gay-bashing is not acceptable.

But I didn’t, because it’s such a small battle and so open to interpretation that it’s not worth it; within a day I’ll forget about it like I do every time I catch something like that in conversation. It rarely sticks with me and makes me think for this long. I may notice, but I’m not that sensitive - and these people don’t really affect my life so I care for maybe the few milliseconds it takes to really process what they said. If it’s said as a joke, I even laugh my ass off; I’m the last person to really care about political correctness, and when I know the person’s intent I can take just about anything they might say no matter how offensive. It’s when they’re serious that I have to grit my teeth and bite my tongue.

So I wonder what it will take to make me stop and speak up. How bad will it have to get before I lose either my sense of humor or my sense of perspective and say “Hey, man, that’s not cool”?

How do you decide when you should defend yourself and when you shouldn’t?


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11 Responses to “Choosing the gag.”

  1. Kujo Hikaru Says:

    I’ve told you before, and I’ll say it again. When my brother or his friends call something is “gay” or say “that’s so gay” they get the back of my hand across their faces.

  2. Adrien-Luc Sanders Says:

    ~flat look~ Darlin’, you wouldn’t even hit a total stranger, let alone your own brother. Or any kid. Who do you think you’re fooling?

  3. Shirvona Says:

    My inability to resist making snarky comments about what people say would not let me let comments like that pass. I get sarcastic enough about grammar, for hell’s sake, and that merely offends my linguistical sensibilities. Things that offend me personally can result in extensive diatribes that often result in the offending speaker ending up more offended than I am. Occasionally, this is unintended.

  4. Del Says:

    When I see it online, I usually ignore it (can’t fix the internet, certain boards have made me jaded about even protesting). But in forums or groups that I’ve been entrenched in for a while, when I’ve gotten to know individuals, if someone says that who really ought to know better then they get chastised. If someone says it who’s just doing it to bait me/others like me, we mark them up for a troll and ignore them.
    When it happens in real life, though, unless it is a group who substantially outnumber or intimidate me, then I do protest- even to total strangers.

  5. Sihaya Says:

    You aren’t/weren’t a tyranical mod. You weren’t even very strict, in my opinion…

    Anyway, on to the topic:

    Freedom of speech is something different than being a jackass. Act accordingly.

  6. Kujo Hikaru Says:

    *grumbles* I’ll hit you, smartass. *grumbles*

  7. Adrien-Luc Sanders Says:

    I dunno, Sihaya; I remember losing my temper pretty explosively a few times back in the old days.

    Del, I think I’ve gotten to be just about the same way about the internet. At this point attempting to curb it online is like modding yourself +10 flamebait. (Gods, I read too much Slashdot.)

    And Hikaru…foreplay? In public? So risque.

  8. Anji Says:

    It depends. At work I’ve lately been stuck with a newbie who’s also a fundamentalist Christian who loves telling me all about how she’s been saved and tries to get me into theological debates for which she’s badly unequipped and undereducated. So I tend to ignore her, though a few times I’ve exploded. I think she chalks it up to my family being Catholic - they are, but I’m now a pagan of epic proportions. Generally, when I’m at work I keep my mouth shut even if something irritates the crap out of me. Everywhere else…well, it depends on who’s doing the talking. I’ve gotten better at picking my battles with my father on certain subjects, which avoids a hailstorm of crap.

  9. Kujo Hikaru Says:

    *growls?*

  10. A. Shelton Says:

    Hasn’t happened to me yet, but I plan on the first time I hear “That’s so gay” replying, “How do you know? Do you have gaydar?”

    And, yeah, I’ll be chuckling over my own lame sarcastic joke when I say it.

  11. Anni Says:

    Considering that I usually respond to someone saying “That’s so gay” with “Oh, I don’t know, I think it’s sexually attracted to people of the opposite gender,” I would have told him off snarkily. But that’s just me.

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